Vox: Conservatives Can’t be Persuaded About Climate Change

‘The social sciences know a lot and we know what to do next to help with the climate and energy problems,’ said Michigan State University professor Thomas Dietz. ‘But so far there is almost no funding. One estimate is that the United States invests less than 3 percent of the funds it puts into energy hardware research into social science energy research. But if technologies don’t get adopted and used, they don’t have any impact.’ CREDIT South Bend Voice/Flickr

By Eric Worrall

Vox reporter David Roberts thinks Conservatives can’t be persuaded to change their minds about climate change because we’ve been instructed to ignore climate facts by our “elites”.

Conservatives probably can’t be persuaded on climate change. So now what?

One more round of “messaging” won’t do it.

Updated by David Roberts Nov 10, 2017, 8:40am EST

When it comes to climate change, US conservatives inhabit a unique position, as part of the only major political party in the democratic world to reject the legitimacy of climate science and any domestic policy or international agreement meant to address it. Instead, the GOP is working actively to increase production and consumption of fossil fuels and to slow the transition to renewable energy.

How can conservatives be moved on climate change?

Core values, not science, are what drive conservative opposition, Dixon tells Grossman, and “free markets” are a core value for conservatives. They view climate policy as a threat to free markets, which is the real reason they reject climate science, so messaging should assuage those fears.

This is wrong.

Elites shape opinion, only elites can change it

Say we accept that the majority of hardcore conservatives have negative opinions on climate change, and they see those opinions as reflective of deep ideological values. What should be done about it?

There are two hidden premises that typically inform such discussions.

The first is that the only sensible response is to persuade all those conservatives. That’s why the focus inevitably turns to messaging and “framing,” the endless search for the right tone of voice, the right combination of arguments, the right mix of facts, stories, and imagery, to move the conservative mind. That’s what so many thousands of hours of effort have gone toward over the last decades.

But it’s backward, as Mullin says. Assessments of science follow political opinions, they do not precede them.

And how are political opinions shaped in the real world?

Well, as I’ve written many times, public opinion is not some great enduring mystery. There’s a decent consensus in the social sciences on what most moves public opinion: elite cues.

Conservatives think climate change is a communist plot because that’s what the right’s elites have told them.

Reality still matters. What we have in the US is not a “difference of opinion” about climate change, it’s conservatives being mistaken about some very basic facts. They’re mistaken because they’ve been lied to and misled by leaders and influencers within their own tribe.

That’s the situation. But it’s not stable. The weather is only getting worse, young people are only getting more engaged, and clean energy is only getting cheaper. Climate change and clean energy will be winning issues in the long term.

Why not claim and own them while it’s still possible? Then the GOP’s motto in the 2020s can be: “Hey, We Like Clean Energy Too!”

In reality, Democrats probably don’t have the wherewithal to mount that kind of fight. But that’s the only thing that has a chance of breaking the stalemate. The quest to persuade US conservatives on climate change has been extraordinarily long, vigorous, and well-documented. It has also been largely fruitless. Perhaps it’s time for a little agonism.

Read more: https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/11/10/16627256/conservatives-climate-change-persuasion

David has apparently moved on from advocating trying to buy off our leaders; he now wants more “agonism”, more political aggression from his fellow travellers to try to take ownership of the climate issue.

I always find it entertaining to read green analysis of Conservative thinking. Such analysis tend to reveal far more about the way the green left thinks, than any deep insight into the thought processes of Conservatives.

We don’t follow our elites.

Ref.: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11/11/vox-conservatives-cant-be-pursuaded-about-climate-change/


What does it matter what Conservatives think if the “greens” are right based on the facts and empirical data??

Of course, because the facts and empirical data doesn’t support the alarmists position. There is no (Man Made) Global Warming, in fact, there’s no warming at all – not for 6 decades, ref.: 1875 coldest year in 10000 years and no warming for 58 years and Briffa and Melvin Crowns 1936 as Warmest Year Ever!

.. that is exactly what the real world measured temperature data also show (empirical data), not only for the US., for all parts of the world:

NASA/CRU Southern Hemisphere Temperature Fraud

NASA claims that they know Southern Hemisphere temperatures back to 1880, and that they basically match northern hemisphere temperatures.

Ref.: https://realclimatescience.com/nasacru-southern-hemisphere-temperature-fraud/

NOAA Global Temperature Fraud

In 1989, Tom Karl at NOAA reported that almost all global warming occurred before 1919, and that Earth cooled from 1921 to 1979.

Ref.: https://realclimatescience.com/noaa-global-temperature-fraud/

Just When You Thought Climate Alarmists Couldn’t Get Any Stupider …

Ice Doesn’t Lie – But NASA And NOAA Scientists Do

100% Confidence Of Incompetence In The National Climate Assessment

Unambiguous Fraud In The National Climate Assessment

NOAA/NASA – Destroying Science By Data Tampering

Climate Science Bipolar Disorder

Evaluating The Integrity Of Official Climate Records

The Wildly Fraudulent National Climate Assessment

These are only a few examples. But, after reading and watching all this, one question has to be asked: Why tamper (committing fraud) with the data if there really is a problem??

That fact alone falsify the (Man Made) Global Warming Scare, that’s all you need to know!


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Why do CO2 lag behind temperature?

71% of the earth is covered by ocean, water is a 1000 times denser than air and the mass of the oceans are 360 times that of the atmosphere, small temperature changes in the oceans doesn’t only modulate air temperature, but it also affect the CO2 level according to Henry’s Law.

The reason it is called “Law” is because it has been “proven”!

“.. scientific laws describe phenomena that the scientific community has found to be provably true ..”

That means, the graph proves CO2 do not control temperature, that again proves (Man Made) Global Warming, now called “Climate Change” due to lack of … Warming is – again – debunked!